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		<title>By: David Voelker</title>
		<link>http://expostfacto.historytools.org/puritans-and-economy/#comment-4159</link>
		<dc:creator>David Voelker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FINAL COMMENT

Those of you who point out tensions and contradictions within Puritanism are quite right to do so.  However, as some of you pointed out, a desire for worldly success and for Christian piety did not have to be mutually exclusive.  One reason that Puritans emphasized hard work was because they believed that working kept people of of trouble.  Sloth, or laziness, was a sin, in part because it was seen to beget other sins.

Puritans definitely did NOT see themselves as being in control of their spiritual destiny -- that position only became popular in New England in the late 1700s and early 1800s.  So, within a context of terrible uncertainty, they tried to come up with ways to "prepare" for God's grace, should they be so lucky as to receive it.  The discipline of hard work was a part of the preparation process.</description>
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<p>Those of you who point out tensions and contradictions within Puritanism are quite right to do so.  However, as some of you pointed out, a desire for worldly success and for Christian piety did not have to be mutually exclusive.  One reason that Puritans emphasized hard work was because they believed that working kept people of of trouble.  Sloth, or laziness, was a sin, in part because it was seen to beget other sins.</p>
<p>Puritans definitely did NOT see themselves as being in control of their spiritual destiny &#8212; that position only became popular in New England in the late 1700s and early 1800s.  So, within a context of terrible uncertainty, they tried to come up with ways to &#8220;prepare&#8221; for God&#8217;s grace, should they be so lucky as to receive it.  The discipline of hard work was a part of the preparation process.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Klug</title>
		<link>http://expostfacto.historytools.org/puritans-and-economy/#comment-4154</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Klug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 15:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with the last part of what Stephanie said. What would the Puritans think of how some people live the supposed "good life" today. Some get to live it because their rich grandfather dies and they become exceedingly wealthy, whereas some people have to bust their butts in order to break even. And this could be a very good reason why the Puritans left England is becuase they possibly thought that they could not have the "good life" there, so they needed to come to America instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the last part of what Stephanie said. What would the Puritans think of how some people live the supposed &#8220;good life&#8221; today. Some get to live it because their rich grandfather dies and they become exceedingly wealthy, whereas some people have to bust their butts in order to break even. And this could be a very good reason why the Puritans left England is becuase they possibly thought that they could not have the &#8220;good life&#8221; there, so they needed to come to America instead.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Niemann</title>
		<link>http://expostfacto.historytools.org/puritans-and-economy/#comment-4152</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Niemann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 22:39:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that the Puritans' beliefs contradict their actions. They believe in predestination, but they are so worried about being in God's grace. If they really believed that they were already destine to either Heaven or Hell, it wouldnt matter what actions they do in life. One of the principles of Christianity is that we are all in control of our own spiritual destiny. For example, if I knew that I was destine for Heaven, I would try to build a fortune and gain power and not worry too much about who I had to "screw over" to reach that point of achievement. Theologically speaking, they were saved or damned when they were born, so signs of God's satisfaction or displeasure would be irrelevant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that the Puritans&#8217; beliefs contradict their actions. They believe in predestination, but they are so worried about being in God&#8217;s grace. If they really believed that they were already destine to either Heaven or Hell, it wouldnt matter what actions they do in life. One of the principles of Christianity is that we are all in control of our own spiritual destiny. For example, if I knew that I was destine for Heaven, I would try to build a fortune and gain power and not worry too much about who I had to &#8220;screw over&#8221; to reach that point of achievement. Theologically speaking, they were saved or damned when they were born, so signs of God&#8217;s satisfaction or displeasure would be irrelevant.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Bansemar</title>
		<link>http://expostfacto.historytools.org/puritans-and-economy/#comment-4151</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Bansemar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 21:54:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the Puritans views on making money to be somewhat consistent with a liberal (individual rights) based mindset, in the sense that the Puritans needed to have a certain amount of financial success in order to pursue their own version of the good life.  However, since they were also sincere in their attempt to live a good, spiritual life, they resolved not to be overcome by greed, as God would not be pleased if they were to take more than they needed from life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the Puritans views on making money to be somewhat consistent with a liberal (individual rights) based mindset, in the sense that the Puritans needed to have a certain amount of financial success in order to pursue their own version of the good life.  However, since they were also sincere in their attempt to live a good, spiritual life, they resolved not to be overcome by greed, as God would not be pleased if they were to take more than they needed from life.</p>
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		<title>By: Jan Cheney</title>
		<link>http://expostfacto.historytools.org/puritans-and-economy/#comment-4149</link>
		<dc:creator>Jan Cheney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 13:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that when the Puritans arrived here, everything they did was to please God.  Hard work was a way of showing their devotion to him.  Their initial intention was to provide enough for their families and communities.  Ultimately, competition for land, food, supplies, etc. forced them to work for themselves rather than God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that when the Puritans arrived here, everything they did was to please God.  Hard work was a way of showing their devotion to him.  Their initial intention was to provide enough for their families and communities.  Ultimately, competition for land, food, supplies, etc. forced them to work for themselves rather than God.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Micksch</title>
		<link>http://expostfacto.historytools.org/puritans-and-economy/#comment-4148</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Micksch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 04:45:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Puritans looked towards "God" when there was conflict within their community.  With the migration to the "New World", Puritans searched for answers as to how to progress economically.  This would happen because most other aspects of the Puritans' lives were fufilled by migrating to live by their own thoughts and beliefs of life.  Economically, they would have to find new ideas as to how to achieve their goals.  On the flip side, any community would go to any extreme to survive and prosper, leaving them to be simply human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Puritans looked towards &#8220;God&#8221; when there was conflict within their community.  With the migration to the &#8220;New World&#8221;, Puritans searched for answers as to how to progress economically.  This would happen because most other aspects of the Puritans&#8217; lives were fufilled by migrating to live by their own thoughts and beliefs of life.  Economically, they would have to find new ideas as to how to achieve their goals.  On the flip side, any community would go to any extreme to survive and prosper, leaving them to be simply human.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Heck</title>
		<link>http://expostfacto.historytools.org/puritans-and-economy/#comment-4143</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Heck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 22:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Puritans were so worried about econimic issues they would have stayed in Holland were the economy was great. The Puritans did not want to stay there either. So economy was important but not the most important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Puritans were so worried about econimic issues they would have stayed in Holland were the economy was great. The Puritans did not want to stay there either. So economy was important but not the most important.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Knaak</title>
		<link>http://expostfacto.historytools.org/puritans-and-economy/#comment-4142</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Knaak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no doubt that Puritan history is frought with moral travesty.  This should not, however, take away from the many positive influences the Puritans had on early American history.  

One area of positive influence was the Puritans especially hard work ethic.  This work ethic stemmed from their idea of living a virtuous life.  There can be no question that this work ethic allowed them to cultivate the land and prosper.  This helped pave the ground for what would be the United States of America.

A second positive influence was the fact they were committed to independence. This is true in social, economic and religous aspects, all of which were interelated. In fear of the economic changes taking place in England at the time, the Puritans were afraid they would lose their highly regarded economic independence.  This independence was so highly regarded due to the fact that economic independence would allow them to carry on with their vision of a moral and virtuous community. In other words, without economic independence, the Puritans would lose their religous autonomy and sense of "Puritan communitarianism".  

This powerful strive for independence  was also apparent in their break with the Church of England.  Upset that the Church of England was straying to far from the teachings of Bible, Puritans sought out their own vision of the virtuous life. It should be noted here that economic indepedence was vital to make their vision a reality. This helped lay the groundwork for early Americans to defy England's control. 

In conclusion, it is clear to see that the Puritans had quite a dramatic influence on early American culture.  While the negative influences are concentrated on much more frequently, one cannot overlook the many positive influences inherent within early Puritan societies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no doubt that Puritan history is frought with moral travesty.  This should not, however, take away from the many positive influences the Puritans had on early American history.  </p>
<p>One area of positive influence was the Puritans especially hard work ethic.  This work ethic stemmed from their idea of living a virtuous life.  There can be no question that this work ethic allowed them to cultivate the land and prosper.  This helped pave the ground for what would be the United States of America.</p>
<p>A second positive influence was the fact they were committed to independence. This is true in social, economic and religous aspects, all of which were interelated. In fear of the economic changes taking place in England at the time, the Puritans were afraid they would lose their highly regarded economic independence.  This independence was so highly regarded due to the fact that economic independence would allow them to carry on with their vision of a moral and virtuous community. In other words, without economic independence, the Puritans would lose their religous autonomy and sense of &#8220;Puritan communitarianism&#8221;.  </p>
<p>This powerful strive for independence  was also apparent in their break with the Church of England.  Upset that the Church of England was straying to far from the teachings of Bible, Puritans sought out their own vision of the virtuous life. It should be noted here that economic indepedence was vital to make their vision a reality. This helped lay the groundwork for early Americans to defy England&#8217;s control. </p>
<p>In conclusion, it is clear to see that the Puritans had quite a dramatic influence on early American culture.  While the negative influences are concentrated on much more frequently, one cannot overlook the many positive influences inherent within early Puritan societies.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Streckenbach</title>
		<link>http://expostfacto.historytools.org/puritans-and-economy/#comment-4140</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Streckenbach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 18:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to say that the main force behind the Puritan's was originally religious freedom.  For the reason that who would risk there life traveling a ocean if you we're somewhat psycotically, fanactically into your religion? Economic's were a secondary motive once arriving in the new world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to say that the main force behind the Puritan&#8217;s was originally religious freedom.  For the reason that who would risk there life traveling a ocean if you we&#8217;re somewhat psycotically, fanactically into your religion? Economic&#8217;s were a secondary motive once arriving in the new world.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Reidinger</title>
		<link>http://expostfacto.historytools.org/puritans-and-economy/#comment-4139</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam Reidinger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Sep 2007 17:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if this desire for Puritans to make a decent living correlated to the idea of predestination they all believed to be so true. Perhaps those who were fearful of not being one of God's chosen people in heaven were trying to live the best they could on Earth in the event they had been pre-destined to hell in the afterlife.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if this desire for Puritans to make a decent living correlated to the idea of predestination they all believed to be so true. Perhaps those who were fearful of not being one of God&#8217;s chosen people in heaven were trying to live the best they could on Earth in the event they had been pre-destined to hell in the afterlife.</p>
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