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	<title>Comments on: Melville&#8217;s &#8220;Bartleby the Scrivener&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: Marissa Rauen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marissa Rauen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely found the story to be very subtle as we discussed in class.  What I think is interesting is that the subtle nature of the story is what makes it so mysterious.  You almost read it, trying to read into every little detail in an attempt to pull something out about Bartleby's disobedience, or the narrators unwillingness to make a final decision about Bartleby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely found the story to be very subtle as we discussed in class.  What I think is interesting is that the subtle nature of the story is what makes it so mysterious.  You almost read it, trying to read into every little detail in an attempt to pull something out about Bartleby&#8217;s disobedience, or the narrators unwillingness to make a final decision about Bartleby.</p>
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		<title>By: David Voelker</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Voelker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Sep 2007 17:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FINAL COMMENT

Most of you concede that the narrator, despite his flaws, makes a sincere effort to help Bartleby -- even though he ultimately fails to do so.

Alex raises a good point about the lawyer's non-confrontational manner.  Given the extremes to which he went to avoid having to use force to throw Bartleby out -- most strikingly he moved his office -- it seems like the lawyer avoids confrontation in part to avoid coming face-to-face with the real nature of the relationship that he has with his workers.

Despite his attempt to avoid seeing how power relations work within his office, the narrator clearly does engage in a serious personal struggle to help the pallid scrivener.  As he tells his story, he explicitly credits Christian ethics for urging him to sympathize with Bartleby.  But the conclusion makes one wonder if this ethic can really be effective in the  Wall Street universe where the lawyer lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FINAL COMMENT</p>
<p>Most of you concede that the narrator, despite his flaws, makes a sincere effort to help Bartleby &#8212; even though he ultimately fails to do so.</p>
<p>Alex raises a good point about the lawyer&#8217;s non-confrontational manner.  Given the extremes to which he went to avoid having to use force to throw Bartleby out &#8212; most strikingly he moved his office &#8212; it seems like the lawyer avoids confrontation in part to avoid coming face-to-face with the real nature of the relationship that he has with his workers.</p>
<p>Despite his attempt to avoid seeing how power relations work within his office, the narrator clearly does engage in a serious personal struggle to help the pallid scrivener.  As he tells his story, he explicitly credits Christian ethics for urging him to sympathize with Bartleby.  But the conclusion makes one wonder if this ethic can really be effective in the  Wall Street universe where the lawyer lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Micksch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Micksch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Sep 2007 04:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with what Erica saud that in the begining of the story the narrator seems like an older man that is pretty even keel. But it seems when Bartleby enters the picture all of that changes and he is the total opposite like a total 180.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what Erica saud that in the begining of the story the narrator seems like an older man that is pretty even keel. But it seems when Bartleby enters the picture all of that changes and he is the total opposite like a total 180.</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 03:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would tend to agree with what Eric B. said, in that the narrator does not harbor any disdain for his employees.  I would agrgue he is non-confrontational.  When the narrator brings up Turkey's sloppy afternoon work habits, he never pressures Turkey to admit to any wrongdoing, instead he allows Turkey to twist the conversation into an opportunity to make it seem as though his poor afternoon copying is a result of age catching up with it.  The narrator accepts this, since, as Turkey points out, both men are no longer young, and it seems to be a reasonable, plausible excuse.  This non-confrontational trait can be easily seen in the narrator's dealings with Bartleby; first by allowing Bartleby to lock him, the narrator, out of his own office on a Sunday morning, and culminating with the narrator relocating in order to avoid having to force Bartleby to leave the premises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would tend to agree with what Eric B. said, in that the narrator does not harbor any disdain for his employees.  I would agrgue he is non-confrontational.  When the narrator brings up Turkey&#8217;s sloppy afternoon work habits, he never pressures Turkey to admit to any wrongdoing, instead he allows Turkey to twist the conversation into an opportunity to make it seem as though his poor afternoon copying is a result of age catching up with it.  The narrator accepts this, since, as Turkey points out, both men are no longer young, and it seems to be a reasonable, plausible excuse.  This non-confrontational trait can be easily seen in the narrator&#8217;s dealings with Bartleby; first by allowing Bartleby to lock him, the narrator, out of his own office on a Sunday morning, and culminating with the narrator relocating in order to avoid having to force Bartleby to leave the premises.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Angela Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 02:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with what Chase said about considering the time period when looking at the narrators attitude. I think the narrator was pretty smug, but he wasn't completely uncaring. When the narrator had moved his office away from Bartleby, his mind would wonder and think of Bartleby. Maybe he just had a guilty conscious but I really think the narrator had some speck of good in him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with what Chase said about considering the time period when looking at the narrators attitude. I think the narrator was pretty smug, but he wasn&#8217;t completely uncaring. When the narrator had moved his office away from Bartleby, his mind would wonder and think of Bartleby. Maybe he just had a guilty conscious but I really think the narrator had some speck of good in him.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Knaak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Knaak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 18:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In his short story, "Bartleby the Scrivener", Melville highlights the social and economic changes taking place at the time.  It must be understood that during these times, many people can forward to criticize the capitalistic ideology that become so entrenched  since the "Industrial Revolution". This is especially true in the areas of literature and philosphy. These
critics included the like Karl Marx, Henry David Thoreau, and Ralph Waldo Emerson.

The primary arguement put forward by these authors, including Melville, was that capitalism caused people to be exploited.  This is what Karl Marx identified as the "exploitation of the prolitariate". The entire notion of capitalism is to gain more wealth.  Without people trying to gain more and more wealth a capitalistic society would perish. Hence, it is essential for business owners to maximize profits.  

This however, often comes into conflict with what is actually the "right" thing to do. Put in a more succint manner, there was a dichotomy between capitalism and a person's conscience.  It is possible to take this one step furthur and say that since the right thing to do was usually defined by religion, the dichotomy is actually between capitalism and religion/ Spirituality.  This is the arguement of both Emerson and Thoreau.

In this particular story, it is clear to see that the narrator is struggling with these exact questions.  In fact, the narrarator eventually gives into his conscience.  When deciding what to do with Bartleby he finally surrendered stating, " At least I see it: I penetrate to the predestined purpose of my life.  I'm content.  Others may have loftier parts to enact; but my mission in this world, Bartleby, is to furnish you with office room for such period as you may see fit to remain." Because his business peers continually riduculed the narrarator for having this Bartleby present as he did nothing at all.  Hence, the narrarator moved out.  Finally the police came to Bartleby him away after he would still not leave.  Even as embarrassed as he was, the narrarator continued to visit Bartleby.  Perhaps the narrarator's conscience really did win out, but it was a sincere struggle nonetheless.

In conclusion, Melville highlights the great social tensions of the time,  particulary between capitalism and religion/spitituality/conscience. Caught up in a capitalist rat race often prevents people from seeing the many contradictions within society. Quite simply it is hidden particularly well by the inner workings of capitalism.  As the narrator concluded, "I remembered the bright silks and sparkling faces I had seen that day, in gala trim, swan-like sailing down the Mississippi of Broadway: and I contrasted them with the pallid copist, and thought to myself, Ah, happiness courts the light, so we deem the world is gay; but misery hides aloof, so we deem that misery there is none." Although this strory was written nearly 145 years ago, the dichotemy of capitalism and conscience is still hotly debated to this day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In his short story, &#8220;Bartleby the Scrivener&#8221;, Melville highlights the social and economic changes taking place at the time.  It must be understood that during these times, many people can forward to criticize the capitalistic ideology that become so entrenched  since the &#8220;Industrial Revolution&#8221;. This is especially true in the areas of literature and philosphy. These<br />
critics included the like Karl Marx, Henry David Thoreau, and Ralph Waldo Emerson.</p>
<p>The primary arguement put forward by these authors, including Melville, was that capitalism caused people to be exploited.  This is what Karl Marx identified as the &#8220;exploitation of the prolitariate&#8221;. The entire notion of capitalism is to gain more wealth.  Without people trying to gain more and more wealth a capitalistic society would perish. Hence, it is essential for business owners to maximize profits.  </p>
<p>This however, often comes into conflict with what is actually the &#8220;right&#8221; thing to do. Put in a more succint manner, there was a dichotomy between capitalism and a person&#8217;s conscience.  It is possible to take this one step furthur and say that since the right thing to do was usually defined by religion, the dichotomy is actually between capitalism and religion/ Spirituality.  This is the arguement of both Emerson and Thoreau.</p>
<p>In this particular story, it is clear to see that the narrator is struggling with these exact questions.  In fact, the narrarator eventually gives into his conscience.  When deciding what to do with Bartleby he finally surrendered stating, &#8221; At least I see it: I penetrate to the predestined purpose of my life.  I&#8217;m content.  Others may have loftier parts to enact; but my mission in this world, Bartleby, is to furnish you with office room for such period as you may see fit to remain.&#8221; Because his business peers continually riduculed the narrarator for having this Bartleby present as he did nothing at all.  Hence, the narrarator moved out.  Finally the police came to Bartleby him away after he would still not leave.  Even as embarrassed as he was, the narrarator continued to visit Bartleby.  Perhaps the narrarator&#8217;s conscience really did win out, but it was a sincere struggle nonetheless.</p>
<p>In conclusion, Melville highlights the great social tensions of the time,  particulary between capitalism and religion/spitituality/conscience. Caught up in a capitalist rat race often prevents people from seeing the many contradictions within society. Quite simply it is hidden particularly well by the inner workings of capitalism.  As the narrator concluded, &#8220;I remembered the bright silks and sparkling faces I had seen that day, in gala trim, swan-like sailing down the Mississippi of Broadway: and I contrasted them with the pallid copist, and thought to myself, Ah, happiness courts the light, so we deem the world is gay; but misery hides aloof, so we deem that misery there is none.&#8221; Although this strory was written nearly 145 years ago, the dichotemy of capitalism and conscience is still hotly debated to this day.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie Bellile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie Bellile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 16:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with both Eric and Chris. I think Bartelby just had enough. He was sick of working everyday and giving 110% effort and no one noticing or caring until he stopped. It through a wrench into the whole grand scheme of things for the lawyer. I also believe that the lawyer did everything possible to help Bartelby. What more could the guy do? Jan was right when she brought up the point that people can only be helped if they want to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with both Eric and Chris. I think Bartelby just had enough. He was sick of working everyday and giving 110% effort and no one noticing or caring until he stopped. It through a wrench into the whole grand scheme of things for the lawyer. I also believe that the lawyer did everything possible to help Bartelby. What more could the guy do? Jan was right when she brought up the point that people can only be helped if they want to be.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Gould</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Gould</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 14:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would have to agree with Ryan, when I first read this story I didn't really see how into himself the narrator was. It was kind of amusing to me the way everything that happened in the story had to be related to him (the narrator). I would also like to add that I think Bartelby just got fed up with the system and decided he was done with it all. He realized it was pointless to work his butt off because he wasn't moving up that ladder anytime soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would have to agree with Ryan, when I first read this story I didn&#8217;t really see how into himself the narrator was. It was kind of amusing to me the way everything that happened in the story had to be related to him (the narrator). I would also like to add that I think Bartelby just got fed up with the system and decided he was done with it all. He realized it was pointless to work his butt off because he wasn&#8217;t moving up that ladder anytime soon.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Bansemar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Bansemar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although Bartleby's exact motives for his behavior are unclear, it would be reasonable to assume that he was a independent person who sought to live his life in his own way, and resisted efforts from other from distracting him from his goal. Ultimately, then, I view his refusal to do anymore work as a culmination of events in which he was asked to do something that was against his own wishes, and the realization that this would most likely not change in the future.
Also, in response to a few other posts, I do not believe that the narrator was an unreasonable man. He did not appear to have any real disdain for his employees, he just expected them to do the jobs in which they were hired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although Bartleby&#8217;s exact motives for his behavior are unclear, it would be reasonable to assume that he was a independent person who sought to live his life in his own way, and resisted efforts from other from distracting him from his goal. Ultimately, then, I view his refusal to do anymore work as a culmination of events in which he was asked to do something that was against his own wishes, and the realization that this would most likely not change in the future.<br />
Also, in response to a few other posts, I do not believe that the narrator was an unreasonable man. He did not appear to have any real disdain for his employees, he just expected them to do the jobs in which they were hired.</p>
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		<title>By: Chase Hedrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chase Hedrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 21:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem in determining whether or not the narrator is a good or bad man is when you consider the time and environment that this story takes place, the mid 1850's, Wall Street, we must remember that there is little such thing as workers rights, Labor unions, and mininum wage.  Although I do not support the way the narrator goes about his daily business, lookind down upon his employees, and paying them poorly, I can't attack his character because any other Wall Street business owner would have more than likely treated his workers the same.  It is simply the narrator's misfortune that he encountered an individual not willing to "conform" or take a subordinate role as an employee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem in determining whether or not the narrator is a good or bad man is when you consider the time and environment that this story takes place, the mid 1850&#8217;s, Wall Street, we must remember that there is little such thing as workers rights, Labor unions, and mininum wage.  Although I do not support the way the narrator goes about his daily business, lookind down upon his employees, and paying them poorly, I can&#8217;t attack his character because any other Wall Street business owner would have more than likely treated his workers the same.  It is simply the narrator&#8217;s misfortune that he encountered an individual not willing to &#8220;conform&#8221; or take a subordinate role as an employee.</p>
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