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		<title>Comment on Beware the Pseudo-Thesis by Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 22:59:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This seems so obvious for a more established writer, but--as a peer tutor in my college's writing center--I frequently return this sort of advice for people who are just beginning to hone their essay writing skills. Nice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This seems so obvious for a more established writer, but&#8211;as a peer tutor in my college&#8217;s writing center&#8211;I frequently return this sort of advice for people who are just beginning to hone their essay writing skills. Nice!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Making Moral Sense of the Credit Crisis by Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brilliant.  I hope other blogs pick this up.

The point about greed is especially telling.  Palin and McCain wag their fingers at greedy Wall Street investors.  (Actually, Palin said that investors "rear the head of abuse" -- whatever on earth that means).  But, of course Wall Street is greedy.  Greed -- that "sacred hunger"* -- is what fuels capitalism. As you say here, "greed" is not even a diagnosis, much less a solution.  What, are the Republicans going to end greed on Wall Street (much like they are trying to end "evil" in the rest of the world)?  No. Democrats don't talk about ending greed.  They talk about regulating it.  Whatever is legal/lawful is justified.  So you make certain behaviors that emerge from greed (not greed itself) actually illegal (like bundling bad mortgages and selling them as safe).  This is what the New Deal did -- and is why the real culprit of this current crisis is the cumulative Republican (with lots of Democratic support I should add) dismantling of the New Deal, including, especially, perhaps, the 1999 bill which got rid of Glass-Steagall (which actually separated commercial from investment banking -- so that a bank could not take your mortgage and risk it in some highly speculative venture).  It seems very simple to me.  Look at history: no regulation leads to Gilded Age, Great Depression, and the current crisis.  Moderate regulation leads to stronger economy, widespread prosperity, and a genuine middle class (and don't kid yourself about the existence of an American middle class today -- what we call the middle class is so bouyed by consumer debt that one little change will plunge it all into the proletariat).  

Your last point here about the founders is absolutely on target.  It seems to me that the fundamental flaw in libertarian and right-wing GOP ideology is its naivete about power and lack of a historical sense.  This absolute trust that the unregulated market -- which is really unchecked power -- will somehow redound to everyone's good in the end, is astonishing in its lack of understanding about power and remarkably unattuned to a sense of history.

More current events, please! :-)

*from Barry Unsworth, Sacred Hunger (see page 328): "The ships come in and trade on the edges [of Africa].  You may think only the edges are fouled with this trade but it is not so.  the flood of cheap manufactures, for which the people have no need, destroys their industries.  They become dependent on this trade and the demand for goods can only be met by enslaving their fellows.  To do this they need muskets in ever increasing quantities -- which we supply.  And so we spread death everywhere.  But that sacred hunger we spoke of justifies all.  The trade is lawful, they say, and that is enough.... Money is sacred, as everyone knows... So then must be the hunger for it and the means we use to obtain it.  Once a man is in debt he becomes a flesh and blood form of money, a walking investment. You can do what you like with him, you can work him to death or you can sell him.  This cannot be called cruelty or greed because we are seeking only to recover our investment and that is a sacred duty" (325).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brilliant.  I hope other blogs pick this up.</p>
<p>The point about greed is especially telling.  Palin and McCain wag their fingers at greedy Wall Street investors.  (Actually, Palin said that investors &#8220;rear the head of abuse&#8221; &#8212; whatever on earth that means).  But, of course Wall Street is greedy.  Greed &#8212; that &#8220;sacred hunger&#8221;* &#8212; is what fuels capitalism. As you say here, &#8220;greed&#8221; is not even a diagnosis, much less a solution.  What, are the Republicans going to end greed on Wall Street (much like they are trying to end &#8220;evil&#8221; in the rest of the world)?  No. Democrats don&#8217;t talk about ending greed.  They talk about regulating it.  Whatever is legal/lawful is justified.  So you make certain behaviors that emerge from greed (not greed itself) actually illegal (like bundling bad mortgages and selling them as safe).  This is what the New Deal did &#8212; and is why the real culprit of this current crisis is the cumulative Republican (with lots of Democratic support I should add) dismantling of the New Deal, including, especially, perhaps, the 1999 bill which got rid of Glass-Steagall (which actually separated commercial from investment banking &#8212; so that a bank could not take your mortgage and risk it in some highly speculative venture).  It seems very simple to me.  Look at history: no regulation leads to Gilded Age, Great Depression, and the current crisis.  Moderate regulation leads to stronger economy, widespread prosperity, and a genuine middle class (and don&#8217;t kid yourself about the existence of an American middle class today &#8212; what we call the middle class is so bouyed by consumer debt that one little change will plunge it all into the proletariat).  </p>
<p>Your last point here about the founders is absolutely on target.  It seems to me that the fundamental flaw in libertarian and right-wing GOP ideology is its naivete about power and lack of a historical sense.  This absolute trust that the unregulated market &#8212; which is really unchecked power &#8212; will somehow redound to everyone&#8217;s good in the end, is astonishing in its lack of understanding about power and remarkably unattuned to a sense of history.</p>
<p>More current events, please! <img src='http://expostfacto.historytools.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>*from Barry Unsworth, Sacred Hunger (see page 328): &#8220;The ships come in and trade on the edges [of Africa].  You may think only the edges are fouled with this trade but it is not so.  the flood of cheap manufactures, for which the people have no need, destroys their industries.  They become dependent on this trade and the demand for goods can only be met by enslaving their fellows.  To do this they need muskets in ever increasing quantities &#8212; which we supply.  And so we spread death everywhere.  But that sacred hunger we spoke of justifies all.  The trade is lawful, they say, and that is enough&#8230;. Money is sacred, as everyone knows&#8230; So then must be the hunger for it and the means we use to obtain it.  Once a man is in debt he becomes a flesh and blood form of money, a walking investment. You can do what you like with him, you can work him to death or you can sell him.  This cannot be called cruelty or greed because we are seeking only to recover our investment and that is a sacred duty&#8221; (325).</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Early American Murder Narratives&#8221; by John Chritton</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Chritton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 03:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can't edit, but I just noticed that this isn't our class...still relevant though, as long as you ignore the reference to Ben's question :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t edit, but I just noticed that this isn&#8217;t our class&#8230;still relevant though, as long as you ignore the reference to Ben&#8217;s question <img src='http://expostfacto.historytools.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Early American Murder Narratives&#8221; by John Chritton</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Chritton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 03:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A couple of comments (this is still open, right?):

Ben asked the question "Are we really a tolerant and loving society for thinking this way?" This is a good lead-in to what I was going to say, even though several people have sort of touched on it. American society today is based so much around us, as individuals, fighting for the highest rung in life. Society in this context almost takes on the image of a race, in that the more people "knocked out", the better we will do. If a murderer is viewed in that light, naturally the response will be "what a terrible person...I could never do something like that" or something similar.

Halttunen makes a similar comment when she writes:

"Early American execution ritual held up the murderer in chains, &lt;b&gt;not to invite the audience to indulge in a collective sense of moral superiority&lt;/b&gt;, but to force the people to confront their own common identity with the vilest of sinners, and to acknowledge that there but for the grace of God went every innately depraved sinner in New England."

The highlighted area is somewhat how I view today's practices. We put the criminal through a public display, and all it accomplishes most of the time is giving the audience an opportunity to say "I'm a much better person than that". Is it really that difficult for anyone to see an aspect of the murderer in themselves?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple of comments (this is still open, right?):</p>
<p>Ben asked the question &#8220;Are we really a tolerant and loving society for thinking this way?&#8221; This is a good lead-in to what I was going to say, even though several people have sort of touched on it. American society today is based so much around us, as individuals, fighting for the highest rung in life. Society in this context almost takes on the image of a race, in that the more people &#8220;knocked out&#8221;, the better we will do. If a murderer is viewed in that light, naturally the response will be &#8220;what a terrible person&#8230;I could never do something like that&#8221; or something similar.</p>
<p>Halttunen makes a similar comment when she writes:</p>
<p>&#8220;Early American execution ritual held up the murderer in chains, <b>not to invite the audience to indulge in a collective sense of moral superiority</b>, but to force the people to confront their own common identity with the vilest of sinners, and to acknowledge that there but for the grace of God went every innately depraved sinner in New England.&#8221;</p>
<p>The highlighted area is somewhat how I view today&#8217;s practices. We put the criminal through a public display, and all it accomplishes most of the time is giving the audience an opportunity to say &#8220;I&#8217;m a much better person than that&#8221;. Is it really that difficult for anyone to see an aspect of the murderer in themselves?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Melville&#8217;s &#8220;Bartleby the Scrivener&#8221; by Marissa Rauen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marissa Rauen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 20:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I definitely found the story to be very subtle as we discussed in class.  What I think is interesting is that the subtle nature of the story is what makes it so mysterious.  You almost read it, trying to read into every little detail in an attempt to pull something out about Bartleby's disobedience, or the narrators unwillingness to make a final decision about Bartleby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I definitely found the story to be very subtle as we discussed in class.  What I think is interesting is that the subtle nature of the story is what makes it so mysterious.  You almost read it, trying to read into every little detail in an attempt to pull something out about Bartleby&#8217;s disobedience, or the narrators unwillingness to make a final decision about Bartleby.</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Getting Things Done&#8221; Tips for College Students by John B. Kendrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>John B. Kendrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2008 13:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the post and links.  I had been looking for the GTD flow chart.  I have a copy on my desk but didn't remember where I found it so that was especially useful.  I have been using GTD since early this year and found it to  relieve a great deal of stress trying to remember so many things in work and home life.  My wife even notices that more gets done because its on my list.  And I have found a great app that allows me to have my GTD wherever I go, at work on my Win machine, at home on my Macs and even on my cell phone.  That makes all the difference to me, its always in front of me.  I've written about some of my experiences with GTD in a blog post at http://johnkendrick.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/more-getting-things-done/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the post and links.  I had been looking for the GTD flow chart.  I have a copy on my desk but didn&#8217;t remember where I found it so that was especially useful.  I have been using GTD since early this year and found it to  relieve a great deal of stress trying to remember so many things in work and home life.  My wife even notices that more gets done because its on my list.  And I have found a great app that allows me to have my GTD wherever I go, at work on my Win machine, at home on my Macs and even on my cell phone.  That makes all the difference to me, its always in front of me.  I&#8217;ve written about some of my experiences with GTD in a blog post at <a href="http://johnkendrick.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/more-getting-things-done/" rel="nofollow">http://johnkendrick.wordpress.com/2008/03/27/more-getting-things-done/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Introduction to Curtis White&#8217;s The Spirit of Disobedience by Michelle Kostka</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Kostka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 18:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree, I think that we are taught to conform to society. I have been searching for a new station which would actually tell me what is going on in the world. All I have been able to find is cute stories about children who pretend to be a news caster or kids who can sing opera. I wish that we had the kinds of news that other nations have, where you actually get the facts.

Our teachers may not be able to beat their students anymore, but there are other ways of punishing students. The one rule my high school had which kept me conforming to their rules was if you got a detention you had to serve it during lunch time, this was the worst sort of punishment since I did not have a lot of classes with my friends so lunch time was the one time that I had to see all of them, if I had gotten a detention I would not get to see them. It was like being grounded by the school. Hardly anyone disobeyed for fear of not seeing their friends that day.

We are definitly being taught to conform, even if it is only with subtle hints.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree, I think that we are taught to conform to society. I have been searching for a new station which would actually tell me what is going on in the world. All I have been able to find is cute stories about children who pretend to be a news caster or kids who can sing opera. I wish that we had the kinds of news that other nations have, where you actually get the facts.</p>
<p>Our teachers may not be able to beat their students anymore, but there are other ways of punishing students. The one rule my high school had which kept me conforming to their rules was if you got a detention you had to serve it during lunch time, this was the worst sort of punishment since I did not have a lot of classes with my friends so lunch time was the one time that I had to see all of them, if I had gotten a detention I would not get to see them. It was like being grounded by the school. Hardly anyone disobeyed for fear of not seeing their friends that day.</p>
<p>We are definitly being taught to conform, even if it is only with subtle hints.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Curtis White, The Spirit of Disobedience, 3 by Stephanie Bellile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie Bellile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know if any of you are interested in the connection that music makes with the corporate world, but I thought of something you all may want to look at. Curtis White speaks of our consumer crazed world throughout his book and while I was reading it made me think about a song I heard once. So for those of you who are into punk rock or are just curious you can check out the lyrics to this song at http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Greater-Omaha-lyrics-Desaparecidos/95525D24EB2FC96448256D0A003221BD</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if any of you are interested in the connection that music makes with the corporate world, but I thought of something you all may want to look at. Curtis White speaks of our consumer crazed world throughout his book and while I was reading it made me think about a song I heard once. So for those of you who are into punk rock or are just curious you can check out the lyrics to this song at <a href="http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Greater-Omaha-lyrics-Desaparecidos/95525D24EB2FC96448256D0A003221BD" rel="nofollow">http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Greater-Omaha-lyrics-Desaparecidos/95525D24EB2FC96448256D0A003221BD</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Curtis White, The Spirit of Disobedience, 3 by Anders Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anders Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At one point in chapter four I was reminded of Heinlein's "Stranger in a Strange Land" where a certain popular religion existed based on unending consumption and pleasure.  Instead of a future filled with blind consumption White believes we can create a new and better society based on Christian ethics which have not been compromised in the name of economic growth.  The continuous growth of consumption is the culture of death against which White rails.  Our two party system is focused on providing unending expansion at the expense of the environment, other nations and even of our own citizens.  The ultimate concern at hand is a culture supported by destructive policies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At one point in chapter four I was reminded of Heinlein&#8217;s &#8220;Stranger in a Strange Land&#8221; where a certain popular religion existed based on unending consumption and pleasure.  Instead of a future filled with blind consumption White believes we can create a new and better society based on Christian ethics which have not been compromised in the name of economic growth.  The continuous growth of consumption is the culture of death against which White rails.  Our two party system is focused on providing unending expansion at the expense of the environment, other nations and even of our own citizens.  The ultimate concern at hand is a culture supported by destructive policies.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Curtis White, The Spirit of Disobedience, 3 by Thomas Matuszak</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Matuszak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that White’s outlook on the future is very positive. He calls for a non-revolutionary movement, because as the world saw in Russia, one major corrupt power took over another major corrupt power. White talks about who we most return back to Henry David Thoreau and John Ruskin’s idea of what it means to be human. His version of a positive future is one that we all look inward and think of what we need and only need to live and be satisfied. Along with Thoreau and Ruskin, White talks about the need to act upon our (the individuals) best interests not our communities. In doing so we will be able to define what it is we need and what it is to be us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that White’s outlook on the future is very positive. He calls for a non-revolutionary movement, because as the world saw in Russia, one major corrupt power took over another major corrupt power. White talks about who we most return back to Henry David Thoreau and John Ruskin’s idea of what it means to be human. His version of a positive future is one that we all look inward and think of what we need and only need to live and be satisfied. Along with Thoreau and Ruskin, White talks about the need to act upon our (the individuals) best interests not our communities. In doing so we will be able to define what it is we need and what it is to be us.</p>
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